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Dear Sirs, We have read with interest the paper by Epiphaniou _et al._,1 which highlights the challenge of providing care for people with very severe chronic obstructive pulmonary disease


(COPD) as they approach the end of their life, and agree with the response from Crawford _et al._2 when they highlight that a key problem is ‘defining a transition point for the initiation


of end-of-life care services’. However, we disagree with their conclusion that the solution is to try and identify yet more prognostic indicators in an attempt to identify a transition


point. Our qualitative data3 found that identifying a time point for transition to palliative care had little resonance for people with COPD or their clinicians as they lived with their


lifelong condition with its imperceptibly slow but inexorable decline. Our conclusion is echoed in a recent systematic synthesis of the experiences of living and dying with COPD,4 which


conceives the trajectory of COPD as a ‘roller coaster’, with ‘no one specific event demarcating the ‘end-of-life’ stage, except perhaps the final acute exacerbation, which is difficult to


predict and may be relatively brief’. Starting from the perspective of services designed for cancer, and looking in ever more detail for a transition point that is not there, is unlikely to


be the solution. Maybe we need to take a step back, listen to the messages from the extensive qualitative literature3–5 and ask ourselves ‘if we started with a blank sheet of paper, how


would supportive care for people with COPD look?’ We might then concentrate on developing services that integrate supportive care into the routine care of people living (perhaps for many


years) with severe COPD. REFERENCES * Epiphaniou E, Shipman C, Harding R, Mason B, Murray SA, Higginson IJ et al. Coordination of end-of-life care for patients with lung cancer and those


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10.1016/j.jpainsymman.2014.03.009). Article  Google Scholar  Download references AUTHOR INFORMATION AUTHORS AND AFFILIATIONS * Primary Palliative Care Research Group, Centre for Population


Health Sciences, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK Marilyn Kendall & Susan Buckingham * Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK Susie Ferguson * NHS Lothian Managed Clinical


Network, Edinburgh, UK Ninian Hewitt * Allergy and Respiratory Research Group, Centre for Population Health Sciences, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK Hilary Pinnock Authors * Marilyn


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